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First off, I indicated I wanted to take out a 1 yr sub for $25 - but didn't see how I am suposed to pay for it. Please let me know.

I liked this essay a lot...but..1) I think you should have been clearer about the fact that Michael Kazin wrote a VERY similar essay (which I read at the time) some time ago. 2) Stressing how many Democrats are ok with socialism is all well and good ...but you didn't come close to truly capturing how in a real campaign against an "avowed socialist", Dem. candidates in a primary -a lot more attractive than Cuomo - could successfuly - and reasonably - argue that simply by describing oneself as "a socialist" means that Republicans will have a far easier time defeating him/her than a candidate who esentially supports most of the same policies - without foolishly (imho) - labeling themselves with the "S" word.

I also think you are being far too optimistic about such a candidate peeling away any significant support from registered Republicans and to a lesser extent, of course, wining over independents. Republican attacks - in all their ferocity and effectiveness - would, I am afriad to say - do such a thorough job on any Dem candidate who identifies themselves as a socialist that it is just a very foolish and unnecesary risk to take. And at the risk of coming acros as a sexist pig, I would say the same thing and then some if AOC runs for president in '28. I hope and trust (sort of) that she will realize how big of a risk that would be given the ENORMOUS stakes involved. But for that reason, if she were to run, I "hope and trust" enough Democrats would realize that and nominate another candidate whose positons on key issues are very close to hers to begin with. Although, I do think a woman could be elected president in 2028. After all, if it wasn't for Comey and Putin and about 10 other non-sexist reasons, Hilary Clinton would have won - and maybe the criminal/moron now sitting in the White House just might be where he belongs - in a federal prison...or maybe even in a prison in El Salvador! But all things being equal, I'm sad to say that I hope the Dem nomine in 28 is a man...why take any chances with the deeply embedded sexism in the American electorate?

I thought your comments about how popular Bernie is were very misleading. If he were to run for president again (and I don't think he will) and more importantly if he were to actually be the Dem nominee...that across the board popularity you cited would be cut down very quickly...all they would have to do is - to cite only 3 things...show and explain his dispute (which was on live tv) with Elizabeth Warren; show photos of Bernie and his wife honeymooning in Moscow and also photos Bernie practically hugging Daniel Ortega at an "anti-American rally." ....along with many, many other clips they could get mileage out of.

But apart from the crticism that I just laid out, I think Nathan's essay refreshingly avoids the kind of dogma in content and tone that is all to common on the Left. And I think his main point - as I take it...that Dems of all stripes have a lot more in common than both "moderates" and "progressives" tend to realize is a very important one and if it is internalized and more widely understood, we can more effectively get on with (to use a once sectarian phrase) building a united front against - very real - fascism!

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I think the intra-party civil war is definitely real but we have to be clear whether we are talking about factional fights between elected leaders/organized forces or ideological differences in the D voting base. The voting base looks one way. But in the elected factional fights, there are partisans (AOC vs. Gottheimer is good shorthand) but also a large number of squishes who play both sides of that divide, publicly supporting and even voting for progressive policies but not engaging in the fight against corporate/business/capitalist interests within the party. The failure to wage such a battle more forcefully does constrain the legislative terrain imo.

It matters that Mayor Pete hangs out in the wine cave with megadonors and AOC does not.

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